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A co tie zdrave deti, co tie osypky nezvladli? Jaj, tych sa nespytame, lebo tie uz zomreli. Ale mozeme sa opytat tych deti, co po osypkach dostali diabetes melitus... ak by si vedel, ze ako dochadza k autoimunitnym reakciam, tak by si vedel, ze problemom tam nie je vakcina ako taka, ale imunitny system, lebo autoimunitne reakcie vznikaju, ked sa ten utrhne z retaze, preto napriklad po osypkach vies mat autoimunitne ochorenie podobne skleroze multiplex...

... a pribalovy letak treba vediet nielen citat, ale mu aj rozumiet, pretoze do casti vedlajsie ucinky sa pise vsetko, co sa vyskytuje po ockovani, co je bud dost zavazne alebo dost caste, bezohladu na to, ci to ozaj sposobilo ockovanie alebo nie.
 
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neziaduce ucinky

neziaduce ucinky vakcny MMR - osypky, mums ruzienka, v pribalovom letaku

ADVERSE REACTIONS
The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,
within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed
vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
Body as a Whole
Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.
Cardiovascular System
Vasculitis.
Digestive System
Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.
Endocrine System
Diabetes mellitus.
Hemic and Lymphatic System
Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy;
leukocytosis.
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Immune System
Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as
angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or
without an allergic history.
Musculoskeletal System
Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia.
Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of infection
with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in adult females
and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also
been reported following administration of MERUVAX II.
Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to persistent
virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients developed
chronic joint symptoms.
Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In
women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children
(children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),{17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer
duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent girls,
the reactions appear to be intermediate in incidence between those seen in children and in adult women.
Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are generally well tolerated and rarely interfere with
normal activities.
Nervous System
Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see
CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);
acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile
convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.
Encephalitis and encephalopathy have been reported approximately once for every 3 million doses of
M-M-R II or measles-, mumps-, and rubella-containing vaccine administered since licensure of these
vaccines.
The risk of serious neurological disorders following live measles virus vaccine administration remains
less than the risk of encephalitis and encephalopathy following infection with wild-type measles (1 per
1000 reported cases).{58,59}
In severely immunocompromised individuals who have been inadvertently vaccinated with measlescontaining vaccine; measles inclusion body encephalitis, pneumonitis, and fatal outcome as a direct
consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection have been reported (see
CONTRAINDICATIONS). In this population, disseminated mumps and rubella vaccine virus infection have
also been reported.
There have been reports of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (S
 
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Asi anglicky nevies, lebo uvodne "without regard to causality" by ti hned vysvetlilo, ze preco tym zoznamom nemozes argumentovat v zmysle "toto sposobuje ockovanie". "Without regard to causality" znamena totiz "bez ohladu na pricinnu suvislost".
 
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lunetic

ty si naivny Lunetic, ***** takze sa to len tak objavilo...he he, a odkial alchymisti mozu vediet ze to nema suvis s ockovanim ? to keby si mi ty ***** vysvetlil...
 
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Ano, vela veci sa objavi "len tak", bez pricinnej suvislosti, iba s casovou naslednostou...

Napriklad medzi neziaducimi ucinkami takej hexavakciny vies najst aj "Menej caste - medzi 1 zo 100 az 1 z 1000 - infekcia hornych dychacich ciest"... a predstav si, ze tyzden po ockovani hexavakcinou tvoje dieta dostane chripku... ty polahky uveris, ze tu chripku sposobila hexavakcina, ved "no predsa chripka sa objavila po ockovani... (chvilka mentalnej atletiky)... takze je nad slnko jasne, ze za to moze hexavakcina!" a zacnes vytrubovat do sveta, ze "neockujte, hexavakcina sposobuje chripku"... ale v momente, ked sa ta niekto spyta "prosim ta, dokazes aj vysvetlit, ze ako by ta hexavakcina mala sposobit tu chripku?", tak zmlknes...
 
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ockovaci hoax

no jasne ze vsetky tie vedlajsie ucinky a neliecitelne autoimunitne choroby sa objavia len tak nahodne...samozrejme...pocuj Lunetik. Dohodnime sa my dvaja. Ockuj sa ty osobne kolko chces a uz ma svojimi bludmi o neskodnosti vakcin neotravuj.
 
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Dal som ti priklad niecoho, co by si mal za neziaduci ucinok vakciny, hoci to neziaducim ucinkom vakciny nie je...

... autoimunitne ochorenie vskutku moze byt neziaducim ucinkom vakciny, ale to ti nevznikne len tak, musia ti zlyhat viacnasobne mechanizmy, ktore ma imunitny system na to, aby zabranil strelbe do vlastnych radov...

... a ak sa bojis autoimunitneho ochorenia z ockovania, tak sa rovnako (ak nie dokonca viac) mozes bat z hocijakej infekcie, pri ktorej dojde k tomu, ze ruku k dielu prilozi adaptivna cast imunitneho systemu (B a T lymfocyty, protilatky...), tam je problemom prave imunitny system ako taky, ze sa utrhne z retaze!

Obycajna chripka, ktoru si tyzden vylezis v posteli, ti za urcitych okolnosti moze sposobit narkolepsiu (nevies udrzat bdely stav)... otazkou je, ze ake je riziko autoimunitnej reakcie po ockovani a ake je pri beznej infekcii... napriklad osypkova demyelinizacia (problemy podobne skleroze multiplex) ma priblizne tisicnasobne vyssie riziko pri tom "tvojom" "skvelom" ziskavani (pravdepodobne, nie vsak nutne) dozivotnej imunity prekonanim osypok nez po ockovani, myslim, ze ti netreba vysvetlovat, ze aky je rozdiel medzi 1:1000 a 1:1000000, ze? (neopovaz sa napisat, ze iba tri nuly...).
 
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... a co sa tyka tej dohody, ja ta mojimi bludmi o neskodnosti vakcin nebudem otravovat, ked ty nebudes do tychto diskusii pisat bludy o skodlivosti vakcin, ci ich neucinnosti alebo bludy o neskodnosti ochoreni... (a ako tak pozeram tvoje diskusne prispevky, bludov tam mas viac nez pozehnane, ci uz ide o AIDS alebo o prenasanie Ziky... :)).
 
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mmr pribalovy letak

neziaduce ucinky v pribalovom letaku vakciny MMR

afebrilné kŕče a záchvaty, angioneurotický edém, anafylaxia, artralgia, artritída, ataxia, bolesti hlavy, bolesti hrdla, bronchiálny spazmus, detská cukrovka, encefalitída, encefalopatia, epididymitída, erythema multiforme, febrilné kŕče, Guillain-Barrého syndróm, hnačka, horúčka, kašeľ, leukocytóza, lymfadenopatia, meningitída, myalgia, nádcha, nervová hluchota, ochrnutie očného svalstva, optická neuritída, opuch v mieste vpichu, orchitída, osýpky (netypické), pálenie v mieste vpichu, pankreatitída, panikulitída, subakútna sklerotizujúca panencefalitída (SSPE), smrť, pneumonitída, polyneuropatia, trombocytopénia, zápal stredného ucha, vaskulitída, zápal očných spojiviek, parotitída (mumps), parestézia, papillitída,
 
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SSPE uvadzali pri americkej M-M-R II, faktom vsak zostava, ze sa pri SSPE zatial nikdy neobjavil vakcinovy osypkovy virus, ale vzdy slo o normalny osypkovy virus, ktory mal v dosledku mutacii problemy sa replikovat a uvolnovat z hostitelskych buniek.
 


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